Charli xcx & director Aidan Zamiri reunite to chat about deep friendship and their latest collaboration, The Moment.
Topics covered include: Aidan first becoming aware of Charli, early demos of “I Love It,” Scandi accents, the whelks at Caroline Polachek’s birthday, silliness as high art, imposing structure, growing up on Tumblr, voyeurism, Aidan’s work with Timothée on the Marty Supreme campaign, a general sense of FOMO, teapot necklaces, Aidan’s mom’s notes on the “Guess” music video, not wanting to present yourself as an entrepreneur, embracing embarrassment, Charli’s early tracks like “Dinosaur Sex” and “I Wanna Be Darth Vader,” being a tiny bit hungover, and a brief round of the Cauldron Game.
Aidan Zamiri: Hi, this is Aidan Zamiri.
Charli xcx: Hi, this is Charli xcx. And this is the A24 Podcast.
Aidan Zamiri: Great. That was great, that was great, that was great.
Charli xcx: Here we are.
Aidan Zamiri: Hi, Charli.
Charli xcx: Hi, Aidan.
Aidan Zamiri: You look amazing.
Charli xcx: So do you.
Aidan Zamiri: Thanks.
Charli xcx: We're doing the A24 Podcast, we finally made it.
Aidan Zamiri: We finally made it. Do you know, maybe you won’t like this, I was about to say “Welcome to Charli xcx's best song ever.”
Charli xcx: Wow, you're in the deep cuts.
Aidan Zamiri: That's the thing about me, if there's someone that could write a Wikipedia page about you...
Charli xcx: About me?
Aidan Zamiri: ...It's me.
Charli xcx: How long have you been a fan of mine? Tell the people.
Aidan Zamiri: Great question. Okay. So I think I must have come across you around the time of “You (Ha Ha Ha)”.
Charli xcx: Wow, which in 2025, the year we are no longer in, that song was kind of going viral on TikTok.
Aidan Zamiri: And do you know what, I think it's a really inspiring TikTok trend, the “girl, whatever” trend.
Charli xcx: I didn't do it.
Aidan Zamiri: I think you could still.
Charli xcx: I think it's a bit late now that we're in 2026.
Aidan Zamiri: We're in January of 2026. The reason I think that trend was actually really exciting was it sort of represented freedom.
Charli xcx: Yeah. Absolutely.
Aidan Zamiri: The ethos of it was, “girl, whatever.”
Charli xcx: Totally, yeah. Let's tell them how we met. You go first.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay, okay. So all right, my first meeting
Charli xcx: By the way, I'm trying to put some structure in this because I know that if we don't we will literally just talk about some bullshit for an hour.
Aidan Zamiri: No, no, no, I think you're doing a really good job of structuring a really good conversation. And I think people are going to be like, "Bloody hell, those two are pretty good at this whole..."
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: All right, so the first time we ever met was, well, this was my first meeting with you, but not your first meeting with me, it was either 2013 or 2014.
Charli xcx: I think it was ‘13.
Aidan Zamiri: I think it was ‘13 because I think I just finished high school. And I went to a music festival called Tea in the Park. And I remember telling you about this and you said, "I vowed to never go back again." But you did go back again the next year.
Charli xcx: Did I?
Aidan Zamiri: I looked it up...
Charli xcx: Oh, cool.
Aidan Zamiri: ...On Wikipedia. You had a midday slot. It was a time in your life when it was big buffalo boots, a little pink nighty. You had an all girl band. Very cool. You were singing songs like “SuperLove”?
Charli xcx: Yes.
Aidan Zamiri: One of my favorites. How do you feel about that?
Charli xcx: “SuperLove”?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: I know it's a fan fave, but it doesn't particularly speak to me anymore sonically.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay.
Charli xcx: As a song, yeah, I don't know. But I know people like it. At that point in time when I was making music, I was doing an accent in a lot of my songs.
Aidan Zamiri: What was the accent?
Charli xcx: It was like this Scandi accent because I was recording a lot in Sweden.
Aidan Zamiri: You love Sweden.
Charli xcx: I know, I really love Sweden.
Aidan Zamiri: I didn't realize it ran that deep.
Charli xcx: It really runs so deep, my love for Sweden. So because I was working with Patrik Berger, he produced “I Love It”, he produced “Dancing On My Own”.
Aidan Zamiri: Whoa.
Charli xcx: And we were working in Stockholm together a lot. And so when I did the first demo for “I Love It”, for example, the way that I sang it was like, "I love it."
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: And so in “SuperLove”, which Patrik made with me, it's very much…
Aidan Zamiri: Wow.
Charli xcx: “Hey, hey, Charli”… kind of Scandi .
Aidan Zamiri: Skål.
Charli xcx: Skål.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, wow. So that was kind of in the act, and you're pseudo Swedish?
Charli xcx: Yeah, because obviously as you know, whenever I go to Sweden or hang out with Swedish people, my accent changes. “And I start talking a little bit like…”
Aidan Zamiri: “Hey, Charli.”
Charli xcx: “Up and down. Hey, Charli, let's get the snus.” And I can't just be like, "Yeah, yeah, I think about that a lot." I'm like, "I think about that a lot."
Aidan Zamiri: Wow.
Charli xcx: So anyway, you were...
Aidan Zamiri: Sorry. Okay, so yeah, imagine yourself in that zone, you personally imagine you with a Swedish accent rattling around your head, me with actually a much stronger Scottish accent. And I think just to help your visual of me, because I sort of described what you were doing, I think I'd tried to dye my hair silver, but it was a kind of gross yellowy blonde that I put loads of silver shampoo in and I had bluey marbled almost tips.
Charli xcx: Tips, cool.
Aidan Zamiri: No, I don't think it was.
Charli xcx: Bad.
Aidan Zamiri: I think it was bad. And then anyway, I was front row of your midday slot, but that actually was the only row there was only about 15 people in the crowd. But obviously people that got it...
Charli xcx: You were early.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, it's hard being ahead as a wise woman once said.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: So yeah, saw that, and then it wasn't until much later that we actually met.
Charli xcx: I think we actually met at Caroline Polachek’s birthday party at The Cow in Notting Hill. There were a lot of whelks and dishes and trays.
Aidan Zamiri: Are you sure you didn't have a single whelk?
Charli xcx: I didn't have a whelk.
Aidan Zamiri: Did George have a whelk?
Charli xcx: I don't know. I remember leaving hungry, is what I felt, because there were a lot of whelks and it was just a lot of crustaceans, which is not my M.O. especially on a hot day upstairs at The Cow in Notting Hill. It was sweaty in there. It was warm. And there were a lot of whelks.
Aidan Zamiri: I think I was quite well fed, but the thing is I've got quite a strong stomach. So I can really...
Charli xcx: I know, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, I can muscle in.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Pardon the pun.
Charli xcx: Pun.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, no.
Charli xcx: So that's where I feel like we first met. But I was obviously very aware of your work. Yeah, of course.
Aidan Zamiri: Cool.
Charli xcx: From before, because I feel like you'd done a lot with Twigs, you'd done a lot with Caroline.
Aidan Zamiri: I think I've done something with Jonatan as well, Yung Lean.
Charli xcx: You had done stuff with Jonatan, so obviously artists who I was familiar with, seeing their work a lot. And I always really liked your work.
Aidan Zamiri: Thank you.
Charli xcx: And then we had almost worked together a few times for certain magazines.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. It was Crash era stuff as well. I remember actually Imogene, our mutual friend, who is your creative director and we've made lots of stuff together, I remember she actually reached out earlier for some Crash things, but it was before I had a US visa.
Charli xcx: I won't fully tell this story, but it's that Rolling Stone shoot that didn't happen for a few reasons, but we won't go there. Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, Imogene didn't like my creative.
Charli xcx: Anyways, anyways, but yeah, no, I've always been familiar with your work. And when was the first time we worked together?
Aidan Zamiri: Okay, so our first thing, do you know what we almost did? You were texting me and I remember being like, "Oh my God, Charli xcx just followed me." And then you DM'd me and you said, could you come and do a lyric video for “Beg for You”?
Charli xcx: Oh.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: Really?
Aidan Zamiri: Check the texts, check the DMs.
Charli xcx: Lyric video? Why was I hitting you up for that?
Aidan Zamiri: I know. I was literally like, "All right."
Charli xcx: You were like no.
Aidan Zamiri: “Lower tier.” I was about to jump at the chance. Lyric video.
Charli xcx: Oh, God.
Aidan Zamiri: Can you imagine?
Charli xcx: Sorry.
Aidan Zamiri: No, it's okay, didn't see the potential at that point.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And then proper first time was we did...
Charli xcx: Our favorite brand.
Aidan Zamiri: We did an amazing shoot. It honestly felt like an editorial, sorry… We did an amazing shoot for famed European retailer, Zalando.
Charli xcx: I'd do it again, actually.
Aidan Zamiri: I'd do it again. Do you know what?
Charli xcx: It was fun. We got to do whatever we wanted.
Aidan Zamiri: It was fucking brilliant. We went to Berlin.
Charli xcx: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Went to Berlin.
Charli xcx: Period.
Aidan Zamiri: Period. And we had an amazing set designer called Steph.
Charli xcx: Yeah, Steph was great.
Aidan Zamiri: She did a fantastic job where we had a hole in the floor, and your scarf...
Charli xcx: Goes into the hole.
Aidan Zamiri: ...Goes into the hole. We had a big burning backdrop behind you. Who did you say you looked like when we did that photo? Remember you had a collared shirt.
Charli xcx: Oh, Samuel Pepys. Samuel motherfucking Pepys.
Aidan Zamiri: Samuel motherfucking Pepys. I didn't know who it was and I had to Google it, I was like, "Oh."
Charli xcx: And I do. It's giving Samuel Pepys.
Aidan Zamiri: You looked Samuel Peepage. And it was a really fun time and we bonded and we went, "Oh, we're connected."
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And then it was a few months later, and you messaged me and said, "Hey, got a song." And then so that it was more encrypted as in a safer message, you sent me “360” on WhatsApp. And I went, "This is a mental song. I'm so Gabbriette."
Charli xcx: Well, that's actually not what it is, is it? Fuck’s sake.
Aidan Zamiri: “Call me Gabbriette, you're so inspired.”
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Roll that back.
Charli xcx: Fake fan.
Aidan Zamiri: Whatever.
Charli xcx: No, but you know what's actually really interesting, to go back to the Zalando shoot. Aidan Zamiri: Sorry, yes. I didn't mean to move on from that so quick.
Charli xcx: No, no, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Sorry, sorry.
Charli xcx: So much to unpack there.
Aidan Zamiri: Main event, main event.
Charli xcx: No, you mentioned the scarf going into the hole in the ground. So just to explain, this image, it's like I'm in a very, very long scarf and I'm in a room. I'm sat on the floor of a bedroom, and there's a hole in the floor of the bedroom. And the scarf that I'm wearing drapes into the hole in the ground. And that was like when I knew, I was like, "Oh, you have a humor that I have." I'm not even joking.
Aidan Zamiri: Really? That specific image? God, cool.
Charli xcx: I think it's hard to find, at least I find, that it's hard to find a creative collaborator who's willing to risk being silly and kind of surreal and a bit ridiculous, but also think that actually is high art as well, our Zalando, high art. You're interested in playing with stupidness, but in a way that's also actually really beautiful. And I think that actually that kind of a thing, those kind of images have become a pretty big part of our dialogue as collaborators because I think we are both into beauty and we're both into emotion, but at the same time, we can also do these really stupid, ridiculous, surreal, funny, dumb things and mix them into the work. For example, in the “360” video, I have to smash through a wall.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, all of it is dumb as hell.
Charli xcx: It's dumb, but there is also just
Aidan Zamiri: You're on top of a man on a gurney.
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know, I think it's really charming. It's what I really like about our work together that we can make something beautiful, but there is also just this ridiculousness to it.
Aidan Zamiri: That's really cool to hear. Yeah.
Charli xcx: And I find that a lot with a lot of your images actually, with, I think it's the Billie Rolling Stone one. Is she in a harness?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, she's like being a stunt woman basically.
Charli xcx: Yeah, and I don't know, there's something funny about that, but I think it's surreal.
Aidan Zamiri: I've never articulated it like that, it's really cool to hear you say that because I do think that's also what really draws me to your work or your identity as an artist and all the things that you put out because it's a combination of taking it seriously and unseriously.
Charli xcx: Yeah. And there's just this humor, I think, to both of us, but also we're also very obsessed with the internet and with culture, which is inherently stupid, dumb and funny, but also very, very profound and feeding so much of life in a way. And I don't know, I think we're both obsessed with that.
Aidan Zamiri: I think so too. And I feel like I trained my eye or output on things like Tumblr. So it was like the way that this combination of low brow stuff and highbrow stuff and it being stupid, but also being extremely sincere, and it being all these things at once and not filtering too much, just allowing all of it to come in, compute, and then spit something out. Was there something like that for you when you were starting to make music or make art or whatever?
Charli xcx: Yeah, of course. I remember when I went to art school, I went to Slade, and I dropped out after a year because, well, I kind of sucked. I don't know if you've seen my fine art.
Aidan Zamiri: Listen, the morphsuit multicolored...
Charli xcx: No, no, that was before.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, that was before?
Charli xcx: That's what got me in.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, wow.
Charli xcx: Slade is, in ways, quite like a classical school, and I was not at all making work.
Aidan Zamiri: Were they not into it when you were with them?
Charli xcx: No, they weren't not into it, I found it really hard because I was someone who at art school was like, "I love Andy Warhol." And everybody was like, "Okay, you fucking loser." It was in the eyes. It was like, "Oh, you're a basic bitch."
Aidan Zamiri: It's like, "Yeah, heard of art?" Kind of vibes.
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
Aidan Zamiri: Got it, right, right.
Charli xcx: But I think to go back to what you were saying about the high/low and things like that. I was always really fascinated with that world of the Factory and the characters within it and that kind of time in New York, and the way that product was being created at the same time as art, art and commerce, as we're very obsessed with talking about. And I think for me, when I first started making music and making videos and whatever I was doing, same as you, I was growing up on Tumblr and on the internet, on MySpace. And I think there is an equivalent of that kind of grabbing for images and party culture and lifestyle and people via the internet in the same way that that era of time, the Factory era, it was kind of about persona and going out and making art. And obviously, two completely different things, I was sat at home on my computer, trying to feed myself.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: But I think that kind of ingestion of persona and partying and art and fun all became such a part of my language.
Aidan Zamiri: I think that's why the Factory thing or party culture or any of these things, it feels like it's vital or it's timely and it's in conversation with the world around it.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: I think that's maybe the work that we really like as well or we really respond to.
Charli xcx: I think that we both gravitate towards work that comments on how work is made.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, interesting.
Charli xcx: I think we're both really into meta stuff, which is why you love Kaufman and whatever. It's like-
Aidan Zamiri: I like when a song knows it's a song or when a film knows it's a film, you know what I mean?
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And actually kind of why I like when a photo knows it's a photo.
Charli xcx: Right. Do you enjoy being a voyeur as a photographer and a director? Because you don't really have voyeur vibes.
Aidan Zamiri: I don't, yeah.
Charli xcx: Most photographers and directors are a little like, "Oh, yeah."
Aidan Zamiri: Perverts, yeah.
Charli xcx: Not to generalize, but you know what I mean? There's a horniness and obviously it's like, that's not happening with us.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, exactly.
Charli xcx: Not yet.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, who knows what could happen on the A24 Podcast? It could get really... No.
Charli xcx: No.
Aidan Zamiri: No, guys. I'm blushing. No, I actually think one of the main things that I find appealing in making work, particularly when it's in collaboration with someone else, is actually that storytelling element. I don't think of myself or I don't see myself as a director or a photographer where it's like “This is my world that I want people to fit into.” You know what I mean?
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And some photographers and directors that I really love and admire do operate like that and it's cool and they have that, but that's kind of not the way that I think. So actually, really, I think my favorite part is it being kind of in
Charli xcx: Collaborative?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, being in collaboration and being able to kind of find a story and do it justice or whatever.
Charli xcx: Yeah, I will say you are a really good collaborator. I love collaborating with you. I know I can be a bit crazy sometimes.
Aidan Zamiri: I don't think you are. I actually really don't think you are crazy.
Charli xcx: You let me do what I need to do if I'm having a tantrum or...
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: Well, don't nod so quickly.
Aidan Zamiri: I mean, preemptively, I would let you have a tantrum is kind of what that nod was about.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: But you've never done that.
Charli xcx: You're really good with people, actually.
Aidan Zamiri: Thank you.
Charli xcx: And I actually think that's why so many people, whether it be Timothée or Billie or fucking, I don't know, like me, PinkPantheress, all of these different people that you've worked with, I feel like you really bring out really great things in people and it makes people want to work with you again. And I think you also develop really different languages with different people. Obviously, you've been working a lot with Timothée and I feel like your language with him is really different from our language together. And I think that's really special and cool.
Aidan Zamiri: That's really cool to hear that, thank you.
Charli xcx: Are you going to make more movies? Obviously, you've got one with me, which we should probably talk about, but let's just talk about the other ones.
Aidan Zamiri: The other ones first. Okay, so I actually
Charli xcx: Are there others? Obviously, we have ideas.
Aidan Zamiri: I've not got any other movies right now to do.
Charli xcx: No, but you're going to make more?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. Oh, 100%. I mean, hey, if we talk a little bit about how this came into being, it was like I felt like I'd found an extremely important collaborator in my life and in art and all these things. And obviously, I think we both really felt that way.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And we had kind of spoken even briefly about, "Oh, we should maybe make a film together," because that was the direction you knew you were headed in. And I think it's something that I... Making films is something that I maybe had hoped to do at some point in my life.
Charli xcx: I actually wondered that, if that was in there.
Aidan Zamiri: And do you know what? I’ve spent most of my life and my career so far being pretty reactive to the things that were thrown at me. And I'm really glad I've been like that. I've not had a clear plan of action because I think that feels unreasonable in the world we live in. Things change constantly and I don't have any sort of specific filmmaker heroes or people that I'd be like, "Oh, that's the life exactly I want to have."
Charli xcx: Well, you don't watch any bloody films, that's why.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. I watch some of them. I loved Marty Supreme.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Well done, Timmy.
Charli xcx: Yeah, big fans, big fans.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay, do you know what? When I was a teenager, I remember feeling like I sort of made a decision to be like, anything that was distracting me is the thing that I would try and make my main focus, so that I was like, "Well, if I'm distracted by it, obviously I care about it more." And then that's kind of a
Charli xcx: That's wise.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, a kind of rule of thumb that I sort of give myself generally. And it honestly resulted in me doing all of this.
Charli xcx: So I've been a distraction, basically.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, an amazing distraction.
Charli xcx: Great.
Aidan Zamiri: Whatever kind of pulled my focus, I think became, I just let that be my focus. And the reason I maybe looked towards the idea of doing a film at some point in my life, was because it felt like it was a way to sort of really pin down an idea and really see it through from start to finish in a really full way. And that's why I love the idea of staying in this medium. And that's not to say I'm not going to continue to be distracted or find other things. I do feel really excited by the, say for example, the work I've done with Timothée. For context, Timothée and I made a lot of stuff that's sort of in support of the films that he puts out, but they're sort of specific weird little capsules or like
Charli xcx: It's really cool that he's game for that.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, I think so.
Charli xcx: Because I think that's kind of rare.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: I remember when I saw your Marty ping pong video
Aidan Zamiri: Firing ping pongs at Timmy's head.
Charli xcx: Yeah. I remember being like, "Oh, this kind of feels like an album rollout." And I don't think that that happens too much in film. And that's one thing that I've been really super interested in with our film. I don't know. It's like, well, why would we just... Obviously, there's so much more protection around film, I think, and in a way with music, it's like everything leaks all the time. It's almost sort of a part of the lore of something, people waiting for the leaks and...
Aidan Zamiri: Do you like leaks?
Charli xcx: I used to hate them and now I don't care.
Aidan Zamiri: Right.
Charli xcx: Because I think it's fine. I don't actually think it does a disservice. I think it just amplifies noise, so I kind of think it's cool. But I think with film, there is still sort of a bit of an old school format to how to release something and how to roll something out.
Aidan Zamiri: Exactly.
Charli xcx: And that's why I think what you and Timothée have done throughout different films, whether it be the Dylan movie or with Marty, I think it really punctuates the landscape and it feels like something just different and cool and pop. It's like pop.
Aidan Zamiri: Cool, I'm so glad, because also I think that's also part- I feel like that's why we really connect, because you are specifically also really interested in, or correct me if I'm wrong, but interested in not just being an artist, but what it means to be an artist or what the industry feels like or what you can do in that space. Film is kind of this, it's this very traditional medium. Maybe I don't want to say that. It's a medium which is established. And as you said, there are ways of rolling things out and the idea of basically doing something new or doing something fresh is really exciting. So I mean, to answer your earlier question, I'd love to keep making films because you get to do it in this really full way, but do you feel the same way? Do you feel like you are excited to use film as a new way to express your
Charli xcx: Yeah. At the end of last year, I felt not super inspired by music as a whole.
Aidan Zamiri: Wow, no, I remember you saying. Yeah, you were almost like, "I'm done."
Charli xcx: I'm done.
Aidan Zamiri: I'm glad you're not, you've made music.
Charli xcx: I've made music, yeah, but it took a second. And to be fair, it always does after a record. I'm like, "I'm done, I'm never making music again." But this time it felt really like, "Oh, I don't understand what music is."
Aidan Zamiri: Really?
Charli xcx: I was just like...
Aidan Zamiri: You felt like there was nothing
Charli xcx: I was just like, "This feels a little eh."
Aidan Zamiri: Interesting.
Charli xcx: I couldn't get the juice. I don't know, I was just kind of like, "I don't feel particularly like music is doing it for me right now." It doesn't feel dangerous, it didn't feel very dangerous.
Aidan Zamiri: Had you always felt like it was your whole career?
Charli xcx: Yeah, I think it felt
Aidan Zamiri: And was this the first time you'd felt that way?
Charli xcx: I think, yeah. I think in the past I had always felt that music was volatile and dangerous for me. I could get my highs and lows from it and my kind of adrenaline rushes and things like that.
Aidan Zamiri: Cool.
Charli xcx: And then I was kind of like, "Oh, everything feels pretty flat, everything feels pretty safe." I wasn't feeling particularly challenged by much. And so I think that's when I kind of began. I mean, even prior to that, I already was sort of leaning into acting things, but I think at that point I was like, "Yeah, I'm not really going to focus on making music right now."
Aidan Zamiri: You wanted to find that adrenaline.
Charli xcx: The adrenaline, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: So has that kind of been your driving force a lot of the time when you're making stuff?
Charli xcx: Yeah, I think so. Well, I think my driving force in life is to never be bored. I talk about it with my therapist all the time. It's like the second I have to sit in something... I mean, you're a bit like this.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, we really are similar in that way.
Charli xcx: Except you don't like to be alone, I actually do like to be alone. You can't really be alone. You're always like, "Hello, where are you?" I'm like, "I'm alone."
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, otherwise I don't exist.
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah, totally. No one sees me, no one sees the performance. Look at me. No, but I think for me, it's like the second I feel bored-
Aidan Zamiri: You feel dead.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Had you always been like that since you were a child?
Charli xcx: Yeah, oh my God. I mean, it is also a problem. It's like I have to work on it. I have to work on it, I had to really work on it, especially in relationships. And so like with George, I found my person who I'm like, "Actually, I can be really calm and really still with you," because stillness with George isn't boring, it's actually really fun. And other things I'm like…
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, it's true, because I have a really similar thing. I have a really similar, it's honestly a FOMO for life in general.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: A general fear of missing out and kind of wanting to see as much as possible. It's that want to try it out.
Charli xcx: Like why would you not? Why would you not try?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: I think it's also like sometimes it can be humiliating, because if you suck... But you know what? I'm like, "That's actually a risk I'm willing to take."
Aidan Zamiri: I'm fine with actually being embarrassed.
Charli xcx: I'm willing to take the risk because everything's embarrassing anyway, as Sky Ferreira once said.
Aidan Zamiri: She really hit the nail on the head with that one.
Charli xcx: She fucking hit the nail on the bloody head.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, well done, Sky.
Charli xcx: And so, fuck it.
Aidan Zamiri: Because you know what? I actually felt really bored as a child a lot. I felt really Charli xcx: Me, too.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, I think
Charli xcx: Me too.
Aidan Zamiri: Wow, great, we're unpacking some stuff now. I felt really, really bored. Charli xcx: I wanted to get out.
Aidan Zamiri: Because you were suburban, a suburban countryside child.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And so was I.
Charli xcx: I was very close to the M11 roundabout.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, wow. Well then, come on, you weren't bored. You had so many cars to look at, spinning around.
Charli xcx: I didn't live on the M11 roundabout.
Aidan Zamiri: All right, shit. Now I get it.
Charli xcx: Right in the middle. But anyways, yeah, I don't know why I'm talking about that.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, but sorry, being a suburban kind of bored teenager or child.
Charli xcx: Yeah. And the thing is, I spoke with Jack Antonoff about this. He was in New Jersey and
Aidan Zamiri: He's a similar board teenager.
Charli xcx: Well, yeah, but the thing is, it was like New York was just over the hill. It's not actually that far away, and that was the same thing with me.
Aidan Zamiri: You're so close to London.
Charli xcx: London was actually not that far. You could kind of see it in your peripheral vision. Aidan Zamiri: Right.
Charli xcx: It was so close you could almost reach out and touch it. And that in a way, it was almost like that drove, that drove
Aidan Zamiri: Almost at the party. Almost there.
Charli xcx: ...The drive was so there to go because it wasn't actually super far away. And I think for me as well, going back to the internet, I was watching so much stuff happening in London online.
Aidan Zamiri: Like Nuke Them All stuff.
Charli xcx: Yeah. Did you go to Nuke Them All?
Aidan Zamiri: No. Again...
Charli xcx: I went to two.
Aidan Zamiri: Really?
Charli xcx: I played at two kind of towards the end.
Aidan Zamiri: Whoa. And you were like 15?
Charli xcx: Yeah. I went with my parents.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay. Did you feel like when you'd done that, was that you're like, "I've done what I've been dreaming of doing."
Charli xcx: I was like...
Aidan Zamiri: Did you feel that?
Charli xcx: Yeah. I was like, "Oh, I'm cool." Just for clarity, Nuke Them All was like a club night, very sort of new rave.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. To define new rave, it's a lot of plastic shutter shadesy, teapot necklace situations.
Charli xcx: Yes.
Aidan Zamiri: Is that you?
Charli xcx: I had a teapot necklace. Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: No way.
Charli xcx: Yeah, big way.
Aidan Zamiri: Right. Awesome.
Charli xcx: And the necklace was made out of ribbons and then you might wear a cone on your head.
Aidan Zamiri: It's kind of almost like there's an accessorizing American Apparel vibe to it.
Charli xcx: Exactly.
Aidan Zamiri: Bright neon color. It felt very disposable, Primark-y.
Charli xcx: Also, I think they know.
Aidan Zamiri: I don't know.
Charli xcx: I think they know what new rave is, no?
Aidan Zamiri: Who's that? I don't know.
Charli xcx: Who's listening? Who's listening? I don't know.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, that's the thing. I'm just sort of doing it for... thinking my mom's watching or something.
Charli xcx: Yeah, my mom too. Yeah, good point. My mom's definitely going to watch.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh yeah?
Charli xcx: Oh, my dad definitely will watch. Do your parents, do they engage?
Aidan Zamiri: They don't have Instagram.
Charli xcx: Okay.
Aidan Zamiri: But they do, my mom does, she told me she Googles me, which is actually really fun. Well...
Charli xcx: She have Google alerts on?
Aidan Zamiri: I don't think she's... Mom, do you know how to do that? I don't think she knows. Charli xcx: Right.
Aidan Zamiri: Maybe. I don't want to doubt her media literacy or Googling skills, but she is...
Charli xcx: Wait, I have a funny thing. Sorry. Sean Price Williams told me that he has Google alerts on for us. Isn't that so sweet?
Aidan Zamiri: Me and you?
Charli xcx: Well, it's actually more me than you, but I thought that was crazy. I also, I don't know if he was lying. He could have been lying, to strike my ego.
Aidan Zamiri: That's really sweet. I don't think she's got Google alerts on, but that's how she's sort of keeping up. So she'll mention... My mom watched the “Guess” music video.
Charli xcx: And?
Aidan Zamiri: She said, "This takes some getting used to." But I think my mom was kind of... There's a lot of underwear being ripped off and I think it was actually very open-minded of her to say, "Great. Great stuff you got going on there." But anyway, we've got to do well, but yeah, I feel similar being bored as a teenager. I had no real frame of reference for what you could do as a job or what was feasible or what was in scope. What I think is really cool about you almost knowing, as a 15-year-old... I guess you were writing...
Charli xcx: I didn't really know.
Aidan Zamiri: Or going for it, maybe that's what I mean, of going for it as a 15-year-old. It's very cool to be that unembarrassed. You know what I mean? As a teenager.
Charli xcx: Yeah. But also don't you think, I mean, I'm a bit older than you. Obviously you're 30 now.
Aidan Zamiri: I'm five minutes older. Yeah.
Charli xcx: 30 now that we're in 2026.
Aidan Zamiri: Yes, exactly.
Charli xcx: And did you make it into the list?
Aidan Zamiri: The list of 29 directors who are 29?
Charli xcx: Did you?
Aidan Zamiri: Well, do you know what? In theory, we finished the film when I was 29, but unfortunately...
Charli xcx: But you can still be in 30 Under 30.
Aidan Zamiri: Do you know what?
Charli xcx: Because you're 30.
Aidan Zamiri: They did ask.
Charli xcx: Did they? What did you say, no?
Aidan Zamiri: I was kind of a bit like, it's too much about money.
Charli xcx: Right.
Aidan Zamiri: That I just didn't want to present myself as an entrepreneur. Well, they asked me to apply. Charli xcx: Don't cut that.
Aidan Zamiri: And I was like, I just don't want to be an entrepreneur.
Charli xcx: Okay. Cool.
Aidan Zamiri: Which is...
Charli xcx: That's cool. That's cool.
Aidan Zamiri: But...
Charli xcx: When I was 14, there was just a lot less embarrassment in general because even though obviously it was like we were all documenting ourselves on the internet, whether that be like MySpace or MSN or BIBO or whatever, it was sort of like it was different than it is now.
Aidan Zamiri: The word cringe didn't really...
Charli xcx: No, no.
Aidan Zamiri: I don't remember thinking…
Charli xcx: I was so cringe online.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, and good.
Charli xcx: And yeah, thank God.
Aidan Zamiri: Thank God. Yeah.
Charli xcx: But it's just so different now. I remember when I first heard about Billie.
Aidan Zamiri: Eilish?
Charli xcx: Yeah. And she, how old... I mean, what, she was like 14 when she blew up? Something like that, right? I just remember being like, "Wow, this is a girl who has so much taste."
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, yeah, genuinely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charli xcx: So much taste. Really knows how to compile an image.
Aidan Zamiri: And have a point of view.
Charli xcx: And have a point of view. And it's really well-thought-out and solid. And then, I think about me when I was 14 and my God. But I didn't have this... And I'm not saying that this is why Billie’s work was like that. Honestly, she really just does have great taste.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, I think so.
Charli xcx: But when I was 14, I didn't have the parameters of embarrassment to keep me from doing insane stuff. I feel like when you're thinking about the way things could be received or the commentary around your work, it definitely makes you think twice about stuff. For example, when I play a demo to someone that I haven't played for before, I'm suddenly, when I'm sitting, listening to the song, playing it to a friend, suddenly I hear the song in a different light. I'm like, "Oh my God, what are they thinking about? Now they're thinking about this. Wait, that lyric was really lame." But when I was 14 and dressing up and taking pictures of myself and making music, I wasn't thinking about that at all. There was like a freedom and that's why...
Aidan Zamiri: You didn't have an audience in your head, basically.
Charli xcx: No. And that's why a lot of it is really cringe. That's why I made a song called “I Wanna Be Darth Vader”.
Aidan Zamiri: Fuck yeah.
Charli xcx: Or “Dinosaur Sex”.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, so amazing.
Charli xcx: Do you know those songs?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: “T-Rex Dinosaur Sex”.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. I obviously got there posthumously, yeah.
Charli xcx: “Watch me roar, watch me roar, watch me be like a dinosaur.”
Aidan Zamiri: So cool. It's so cool. You were 15. “Dinosaur Sex”.
Charli xcx: I was 14 or 15.
Aidan Zamiri: That's a little crazy.
Charli xcx: It's like a bit... Do you know what I mean? That is a bit mad.
Aidan Zamiri: That is bonkers, but it is really cool
Charli xcx: No shame. No shame.
Aidan Zamiri: That is so exciting.
Charli xcx: On stage, I'd be going like this. Fully insane. And I was wearing odd shoes and I had bows in my hair.
Aidan Zamiri: Did you have like a Marge Simpson wig?
Charli xcx: Yeah. It was totally embarrassing. But I had no... I was just like, "This is great."
Aidan Zamiri: I really wish I was able to completely murder any idea of an audience inside my head at any point. Do you know what I mean?
Charli xcx: Are you thinking about an audience?
Aidan Zamiri: More just the thing that you said of when you start to imagine, you start to really project things onto when people are experiencing your stuff. Sometimes it's helpful. It's funny when you said that thing about a demo or playing a demo to someone and you suddenly hear it completely differently. It's like now, when we were making the film, it was like anytime I had to watch and edit the whole way through, I wasn't really able to watch it alone. I had to bring a new person in completely. You see things or you feel things or whatever that you've never felt before, you've never noticed before or whatever.
Charli xcx: Remember the first time I saw it, I was like, "Why are you looking at me? Just chill the fuck out."
Aidan Zamiri: Well, I had to see where your eyes widened. No, true. I mean, nightmare experience to watch this film with me, I'd have to say. For anyone that had to do it, I give you great thanks. It is horrible because obviously the vibe would be kind of like, I'd press play on it and then I'd kind of sit like this the whole time.
Charli xcx: Do you think we should say the name of our film?
Aidan Zamiri: Oh God, yeah.
Charli xcx: It's called...
Aidan Zamiri: Sorry. The Moment.
Charli xcx: The Moment.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it.
Charli xcx: That's it. I don't think we need to say anything else about it. No, just watch it. It's fine.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. Well, hopefully.
Charli xcx: Just watch it.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh my God. If you guys don't like it, oh...
Charli xcx: There's only 100 people watching this.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, yeah.
Charli xcx: All our friends.
Aidan Zamiri: Thanks guys for watching.
Charli xcx: I think they were... This is my prediction, right? I feel like when
Aidan Zamiri: I'm suddenly aware of the audience now.
Charli xcx: … When this comes… Well, we were talking about them. We're being meta. We were just talking about that, now we're going to talk about it.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: My thought is when this comes out, I mean, I don't even want to be too generous.
Aidan Zamiri: When you say this comes out, this podcast?
Charli xcx: This podcast, video. I don't know where this goes, whatever. When this comes out, I reckon there'll be 5,000 people who are interested in it. And then, I think after the first five minutes, there'll be a huge drop-off.
Aidan Zamiri: Wow. I've got a completely different view.
Charli xcx: And then, I think maybe 100 people will stay to the end. Because we're banging on like, “La, la, la.”
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, yeah. I have a different theory. I have a different theory. I think more than 5,000, all of them. Get the analytics back A24. I think it will be top to bottom, because we'll add in explosion sounds.
Charli xcx: Right. Oh, that's cool.
Aidan Zamiri: And sort of...
Charli xcx: There's going to be one when you do that. Right?
Aidan Zamiri: Some ticking time and stuff like that. Things that drive up tension.
Charli xcx: You know what else I actually think? I think actually maybe even less than 5,000 people will watch this, because actually what will happen is there'll be some clips that appear on TikTok.
Aidan Zamiri: Keep breaking the fourth wall.
Charli xcx: And then people will just watch them instead. "Oh, they were funny there. Let's put that up online."
Aidan Zamiri: I have a skewed perspective because I've watched all of your interviews in full.
Charli xcx: Right.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, every podcast. I really like the Emma Chamberlain one.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: That was a really good one.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: They're all great. I really liked the one you did with that- There was a lady talking to you and you were on a stage and you had a big white dress on.
Charli xcx: Oh, that was... Wow. You watched that. Was that for Resident Advisor?
Aidan Zamiri: Yes.
Charli xcx: Yeah. I also thought that was
Aidan Zamiri: I thought she was really good too.
Charli xcx: ...Okay. Well, I thought I was really good.
Aidan Zamiri: Yes. I mean, she allowed you to be amazing.
Charli xcx: I thought I was quite funny in that.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, you were great. I thought you were really fucking funny.
Charli xcx: I felt funny. You know why?
Aidan Zamiri: What?
Charli xcx: I was a tiny bit hungover. Like today. Are you a bit hungover?
Aidan Zamiri: I kind of... I didn't... Because I mean, we...
Charli xcx: We went out last night.
Aidan Zamiri: We kind of went to this sort of vodka place by the recommendation of Sean Price Williams.
Charli xcx: Russian Vodka Bar. Is that what it's called?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. No, because it wasn't that one. We wanted to go to that one that was called...
Charli xcx: Whatever. I don't know.
Aidan Zamiri: And Sean orders a carafe of garlic vodka.
Charli xcx: Disgusting.
Aidan Zamiri: Some people are really into it.
Charli xcx: And horseradish.
Aidan Zamiri: And horseradish vodka. It tastes like a Sunday roast.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And anyway, I felt kind of great this morning.
Charli xcx: Well, I drank a bottle of wine in the scene that we were filming.
Aidan Zamiri: In the scene. Yeah. And we did offer you up just normal fluid, water or colored water. But what I like about you is obviously your method, exactly. And you went, “Well, I need to chug the wine or else how are you going to get the correct kind of…”
Charli xcx: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, don't put that out there. What else is going on in your life?
Aidan Zamiri: You're such a good interviewer.
Charli xcx: I'm keeping us on track.
Aidan Zamiri: No, you are. You are.
Charli xcx: I'm steering us to some kind of a destination.
Aidan Zamiri: So, yeah. I really like this question. What else is going on in my life? I like that you asked what sort of the future holds.
Charli xcx: Do you think you'd ever write something and then not direct it, or would you be having a breakdown about that?
Aidan Zamiri: I like directing. Guys, that's the scoop. I really enjoyed writing with Bertie. Bertie Brandes, who's the co-writer of The Moment. The way that we would write would be like sitting together, kind of doing impressions and yapping and then writing that down. It feels really generative or whatever, but I really enjoy being on set and doing... So, no, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I would write something to... I think I'd direct other people's writing.
Charli xcx: Yeah. I was going to ask that you would, if someone else wrote you something, you would possibly direct it?
Aidan Zamiri: I think so. I think so, because that's like making a music video.
Charli xcx: Sure.
Aidan Zamiri: Someone else wrote the song. Okay, what about you? Do you think you ever want to... Obviously you want to act and do more acting, but would you ever want to write and direct or anything?
Charli xcx: I am writing something.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, you are.
Charli xcx: Yeah. You've read the thing.
Aidan Zamiri: I've read bits.
Charli xcx: You read the thing though.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay. Yeah.
Charli xcx: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I'm going to start writing that, like actually. Anyways.
Aidan Zamiri: That's exciting. And when do you want to start doing that?
Charli xcx: I've started.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh, wow. Crazy.
Charli xcx: I started in 2025.
Aidan Zamiri: Wow. And would you want to direct that or not?
Charli xcx: Well, this is the thing. I right now have no interest in directing.
Aidan Zamiri: Really?
Charli xcx: Yeah. You know what? I actually don't think I have the... I mean, I feel like from watching you work, there is a lot of instinct and just taste involved, which I think
Aidan Zamiri: You have.
Charli xcx: ...I do have.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: But I don't think I have the technical understanding. You understand light very well.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. Thank you.
Charli xcx: And I just really don't. I have no idea how to get a certain look with light. I don't understand. I know that there are some people who just work with great teams who can figure that out, but I wouldn't even understand how to communicate the language. I could bring a reference, but I think stuff like that, I think you have such a style, you've really honed and worked through. And maybe if I did do stuff for long enough, I could find my own.
Aidan Zamiri: I think you would find it easy. In a genuine way, I think you would find it easy because it's like watching you record music with A.G. and Finn, it's honestly a very similar process because even if you're speaking about it in abstract terms, that's like you also speaking about it. And I think any technical knowledge that I have of light or photography or anything like that has... I didn't start with that. I just kept accumulating and whatever.
Charli xcx: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: But it's really like, I also know people that direct really well or take photos really well that don't have the technical language for it. I think it is a technology. I think you could, basically.
Charli xcx: Yeah. I think I'd be very nervous too. I think I respect directors so much and maybe I even put too much respect on them.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, maybe.
Charli xcx: But I think I also, if I ever did it, I would want to come at this level that was like, "Oh, she's not coming to play." Just have a real fucking stance.
Aidan Zamiri: Point of view.
Charli xcx: Have a fucking point of view. And I think it would take me a while to figure out that language visually for... I mean, maybe not, maybe
Aidan Zamiri: I don't know. I mean, you've almost like
Charli xcx: You know what the other thing is? The fucking edit. My God.
Aidan Zamiri: That is the thing, fuck me. Some people said that you loved it.
Charli xcx: Yeah. I think that just logistically, I probably could shoot a film, whatever. I would have to hone the language and all of that shit, but the patience. I'm not patient.
Aidan Zamiri: I think you would be able to do it, but it's more like it would be so unenjoyable.
Charli xcx: I'd hate it. I hate that.
Aidan Zamiri: Because you move... It's also, again, so interesting to think about the way that you work or when you were recording in Paris, I was really impressed by in a way that I don't work, of how instinctive and how quickly you move through things when you're making stuff. And say for example, for a peek behind the curtain, if I'm allowed to, what I found particularly interesting is that you, A.G. and Finn, don't really talk necessarily about the concept you're trying to achieve. You don't chat too much about it. You just straight up do it. And it's really reactive and someone will make something, someone will jump off of that. You'll be there writing something on your phone and you're like, "All right, cool. I think I've got an idea." Go into the booth, the microphone area and just do it.
And even after that, no one's talking about it too, trying to over intellectualize what it is because all of the intelligence is in the actual work. It's like you're speaking through the work and you're like, "That's it." Which I find really cool actually and really bold because you obviously know me. I love to yap. And I also know that when I'm doing something, I'm talking about it. Even though I think that's helpful for me and I talk about things so intensely and like, "This means this and this means this and this." Actually all of that yapping doesn't necessarily mean something unless it finds its way into the thing.
Charli xcx: I rarely will go back and work on a song twice, rarely.
Aidan Zamiri: Really?
Charli xcx: I don't mean like we will obviously
Aidan Zamiri: You won't craft it.
Charli xcx: Yeah. We'll work on the song, but generally speaking, it's like I don't sit and live with something and then be like, "Oh, actually I should change the verse on this." A couple of times that's happened, happened with some of the Wuthering Heights stuff.
Aidan Zamiri: Cool.
Charli xcx: But generally speaking, I'm like the most spontaneous idea is the thing. And whenever I do have to go back in and finesse stuff, then it feels a bit more like work. And so that's why I think for me with an edit, obviously you're going in many, many, many times and reshaping and moving and that would be really hard for me.
Aidan Zamiri: It makes a lot of sense that you are so... I mean, speaking about like the not wanting to be bored or whatever and in a positive way, it's cool that you're like, oh, running with something while it still got magic or whatever. And actually it's something that I wish that my job allowed for more because it's like, say for example, when we did the music video for “Guess”, that is the most condensed timeline I will ever be able to get to work on, basically receiving a song, thinking of an idea, shooting it, and then putting it out in the space of about a week is crazy, mental. No one should ever do it. I don't recommend that in terms of anyone making stuff.
Charli xcx: I do. I do. It's fun.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, you do. I mean, I do actually.
Charli xcx: You loved it, you were in a test.
Aidan Zamiri: So honestly, yeah, you are right. I actually love doing that because it was like, it's what you're saying of getting to keep that magic really in it and really have a sense of adrenaline with it and it feels really vital and immediate or whatever.
Charli xcx: Yeah, I'm leaving.
Aidan Zamiri: Right. Great. Thanks so much, Charli. So wait, what do we do for the final five?
Charli xcx: Okay. Should we do quick fire?
Aidan Zamiri: Oh my God, can I ask you a really fun question? This might take more than five. Who knows? So Bertie actually came up with a really good game where she said, "Imagine we are trying to resurrect you and there's a cauldron and you have to put in four items that would bring you back from the dead." And then you also have to think about what song would be playing.
Charli xcx: Oh, that's fun.
Aidan Zamiri: And then you put in the things. So for example
Charli xcx: I can do yours.
Aidan Zamiri: You can do mine.
Charli xcx: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. There's the cauldron. In the cauldron goes a carabiner because I know that you really like them. I think you'd be trying to reach for it, model it for them.
Aidan Zamiri: I would be reaching for a carabiner.
Charli xcx: I think Paulina, your girlfriend, she'd just be in the cauldron.
Aidan Zamiri: Throw her in the cauldron.
Charli xcx: Going, "Help, help."
Aidan Zamiri: Doesn't that sacrifice her? We'll see.
Charli xcx: But you have to come back to life to save her. She's going to be like, "Help." And her little hat is sort of bobbling on the surface. Help, help.
Aidan Zamiri: That's really sweet.
Charli xcx: She's holding onto the carabiner.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. Right. God.
Charli xcx: Trying to pull herself out, that kind of thing.
Aidan Zamiri: Sort of a real…
Charli xcx: And then I think
Aidan Zamiri: Robert Eggers film.
Charli xcx: Yeah. And then I think, what things do you like?
Aidan Zamiri: You also kind of need to span my entire identity in these four objects. Charli xcx: Right. Okay. So I've got your girlfriend and a carabiner.
Aidan Zamiri: A carabiner. Quite queer.
Charli xcx: I mean, it's a bit boring. There's like a camera in there. Maybe it's actually a phone more than a camera because I feel like
Aidan Zamiri: A phone more than a camera?
Charli xcx: Well, yeah because then you can yap away to all of your friends.
Aidan Zamiri: Oh God, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charli xcx: And you can also take pics.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. No, that's fair.
Charli xcx: Right?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah.
Charli xcx: Maybe.
Aidan Zamiri: It's just a bummer that it's a phone.
Charli xcx: Okay, fine. It's a camera.
Aidan Zamiri: Okay. All right, cool. A camera that can make phone calls.
Charli xcx: Well, no, because that's a phone. Isn't it?
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, it's a phone.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: But it has a big lens. There's a big lens on it.
Charli xcx: We'll put a camera in. And then I think you need a muse in there. So it's got to be like me or Timothée. Yeah, and I'm going in.
Aidan Zamiri: Great, got you. Then he's stirring the pot.
Charli xcx: He's like this.
Aidan Zamiri: Great, great, great.
Charli xcx: He's like this.
Aidan Zamiri: Love. Yeah.
Charli xcx: And then the song that's playing is that Role Model song that you like.
Aidan Zamiri: “Some Protector”.
Charli xcx: How's it go?
Aidan Zamiri: “Am I guilty? Am I sorry? Do I miss you at the party?”
Charli xcx: And then you're like this… Coming out.
Aidan Zamiri: And I come out like that. Great.
Charli xcx: And then you’re doing that pose that you do in the mirror where you’re like.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah. What I do is I kick one knee out like that, one like that and I kind of throw all my jaw upwards. And I didn't know I was doing it.
Charli xcx: Anyways, sorry.
Aidan Zamiri: So then you're a cauldron. Sorry about your feet.
Charli xcx: So was that good?
Aidan Zamiri: That was amazing. I'm really happy with that.
Charli xcx: Okay, great. Cool.
Aidan Zamiri: I am really happy with that. So it's you and Paulina in a cauldron. Charli xcx: With a carabiner and a camera.
Aidan Zamiri: With carabiner and a camera. It's good. It's good. It's good. No, it speaks to my love of others.
Charli xcx: Well go on then, you do me.
Aidan Zamiri: It speaks to how I'm made up of the people I love.
Charli xcx: We make you.
Aidan Zamiri: So for you, I don't want to be too reductive and say a BIC lighter and a pack of Parliaments.
Charli xcx: And a strappy white top.
Aidan Zamiri: And a strappy white top. But I think that as a small package is one item.
Charli xcx: In a Ziploc bag.
Aidan Zamiri: Exactly. Ziploc bag, so it's almost brat in a bag. You know what I mean?
Charli xcx: Right. So you are defining me by the fucking album then.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, exactly. And I know what that's like. But it's one shade. It's one shade. And so Ziploc bag, Parliament cigs, BIC lighter, strappy white top.
Charli xcx: I haven't worn a strappy white top for a long time.
Aidan Zamiri: Sandwich bag.
Charli xcx: And also, I've started smoking Capris actually.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, okay. But then this speaks to your history.
Charli xcx: All right, fine, throw them in.
Aidan Zamiri: I'd actually throw in, trying to think of something. How can I do it without a Swedish flag? You know what I mean? Something that speaks to your love of Sweden. Does that disappoint you?
Charli xcx: No, no. I think that's cool. But I don't think it should be the flag.
Aidan Zamiri: Or a Swedish studio. We could package up a little studio space, crush it down, throw it in. I do think it'd be quite good to chop George in.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: I know that's like a... You came up with doing spouses in the cauldron. Add chopped George in.
Charli xcx: Let's put him in. Let's put him in.
Aidan Zamiri: Headfirst. I think shirt unbuttoned.
Charli xcx: Great.
Aidan Zamiri: You know what I mean? That kind of way where he's wearing his silk shirt. He's like, "Oh, fuck." Chuck him in.
Charli xcx: Way.
Aidan Zamiri: Way. And final, final item is
Charli xcx: Who's going to stir it?
Aidan Zamiri: Okay. The person stirring. I kind of want it to be ... Or maybe it's me, if you don't mind, if you want me to.
Charli xcx: Yeah, you can stir it. What's the song?
Aidan Zamiri: And then the song would be a Lou Reed song. I think it would be “Perfect Day”. Charli xcx: Yeah, that's nice.
Aidan Zamiri: That's quite nice.
Charli xcx: Sad.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, but you've got a bit of that in you.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: All the other stuff was quite fun.
Charli xcx: Totally.
Aidan Zamiri: Good to have an aura of sadness.
Charli xcx: No, it is.
Aidan Zamiri: And I just do want to speak to your growing up and it's maybe like, honestly, maybe it's the teapot necklace or something, just to throw it back to that.
Charli xcx: The new rave days.
Aidan Zamiri: From a new rave teapot.
Charli xcx: Because it's also, as well as some sadness, there's also a lot of embarrassment within me actually.
Aidan Zamiri: That's the thing. Exactly. Maybe it's the more exclusive way.
Charli xcx: I didn't feel it back then actually.
Aidan Zamiri: Yeah, yeah
Charli xcx: Once the sheen of youth fades away. Its actually all of that.
Aidan Zamiri: Exactly. It's an embarrassed autopsy of youth. Yeah. I mean, that's like a Lou Reed song.
Charli xcx: Yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: Any other quick flyers or do we wrap it up?
Charli xcx: No, I think it's done, isn't it? I'm so hungry.
Aidan Zamiri: Well, what are you going to do this year just to wrap it up? Put out a movie.
Charli xcx: We're putting a film out and yeah.
Aidan Zamiri: And
Charli xcx: We're continuing our friendship.
Aidan Zamiri: Collaboration, friendship, business, partnership.
Charli xcx: Business.
Aidan Zamiri: Entrepreneurial spirit. We'll be on Forbes. Duos Under 40 this year. Love you so much.
Charli xcx: I love you.
Aidan Zamiri: Thank you for talking to me for so long.
Charli xcx: Thanks to the one viewer still tuned in.
Aidan Zamiri: Hey, thanks.
Charli xcx: Your mum and my dad.
Aidan Zamiri: I think my mum might’ve gotten bored by now.
Charli xcx: Okay.
Aidan Zamiri: I think your dad. Thanks.
Charli xcx: No, he's in until the end, he's in until the end.
Aidan Zamiri: Thanks, John.